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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 3:27:19 GMT -5
www.macrumors.com/2008/07/08/microsoft-to-respond-to-apples-get-a-mac-ads/Good or bad idea? I think that it is a good idea to promote what Vista can do, but mentioning Apple or competitors at all probably isn't. Most people don't even know that there are other operating systems out there besides Windows, so I think that mentioning them at all would have a pretty negative effect. More average people might start to realize that there are alternatives to Windows, and some of them might switch because of it.
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Post by Gamoc on Jul 9, 2008 12:34:04 GMT -5
I know many people who know about apple. Most of them say they get Windows because it is generally cheaper to get than apple.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 9, 2008 15:37:05 GMT -5
I think it is only fair that they advertise a lot more. Those Apple commercials are annoying as hell, and they don't even show why a person should get an Apple computer. www.macrumors.com/2008/07/08/microsoft-to-respond-to-apples-get-a-mac-ads/Good or bad idea? I think that it is a good idea to promote what Vista can do, but mentioning Apple or competitors at all probably isn't. Most people don't even know that their are other operating systems out there besides Windows, so I think that mentioning them at all would have a pretty negative effect. More average people might start to realize that there are alternatives to Windows, and some of them might switch because of it. That is rather one sided. Apple gets to, but it's taboo for Microsoft to? That's like letting a 12 year old punch a grown up in the eye and then yelling at the grown-up for getting mad. Having competition between operating systems is a very good thing, but what Apple was doing is basically childish mudslinging...
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 16:06:07 GMT -5
I think it is only fair that they advertise a lot more. Those Apple commercials are annoying as hell, and they don't even show why a person should get an Apple computer. www.macrumors.com/2008/07/08/microsoft-to-respond-to-apples-get-a-mac-ads/Good or bad idea? I think that it is a good idea to promote what Vista can do, but mentioning Apple or competitors at all probably isn't. Most people don't even know that their are other operating systems out there besides Windows, so I think that mentioning them at all would have a pretty negative effect. More average people might start to realize that there are alternatives to Windows, and some of them might switch because of it. That is rather one sided. Apple gets to, but it's taboo for Microsoft to? That's like letting a 12 year old punch a grown up in the eye and then yelling at the grown-up for getting mad. Having competition between operating systems is a very good thing, but what Apple was doing is basically childish mudslinging... I don't see how what I said is one sided at all. Microsoft taking time to attack someone with such a small market share wouldn't really help them at all, even if they were able to get every single Mac user to switch to a PC running Windows. Apple only has about 10% market share. If they want to grow, they need to get as many Windows XP and older users to upgrade to Vista. The best way to go about that would be to promote Vista's features and improvements over earlier versions, rather than what it can do and Macs can't. I am not saying that Microsoft shouldn't do this because I like Apple. I am saying that they shouldn't do it because it wouldn't be smart from a business standpoint to go after such a small percentage of people. And competition is good. I wouldn't ever want for Microsoft or Apple to disappear. Then there wouldn't be any reason for either company to innovate. And as far as Apple's advertisements, tons of companies use mudslinging in advertisements because it works. The advertising for the Sega Genesis comes to mind.
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Post by RoGeR on Jul 9, 2008 17:14:00 GMT -5
www.macrumors.com/2008/07/08/microsoft-to-respond-to-apples-get-a-mac-ads/Good or bad idea? I think that it is a good idea to promote what Vista can do, but mentioning Apple or competitors at all probably isn't. Most people don't even know that there are other operating systems out there besides Windows, so I think that mentioning them at all would have a pretty negative effect. More average people might start to realize that there are alternatives to Windows, and some of them might switch because of it. Well like u said good idea to promote vista... Though, even though there other operating systems people will still use Microsoft because they're used to it.... and it's a good system... I tried apple and it sucks badly!.... So I don't think Microsoft will be worrying about anything...
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Post by Simie on Jul 9, 2008 18:15:56 GMT -5
I tried apple and it sucks badly!.... So I don't think Microsoft will be worrying about anything... You can't "Try Apple" Apple is a company. You don't "try microsoft", so why would you try apple? Most people attempt to use Mac OS X without anyway knowledge or idea how to use it. If you tried Windows without knowing how to use it, you'd fail. By assuming that if you know how to use windows, you know how to use Mac OS X, you are missing out on a much faster and more stable operating system. On my old windows PC, I would crash at LEAST once a day, and have to restart. On my Mac, I've only ever crashed three times in the last few months. And I'm running double the amount I ran on my windows pc. EDIT: For all you know, the OS could have changed dramatically since you tried it. Before I got my mac, the last Mac OS I tried was Panther. And I didn't like it. Since Tiger (last release) onwards, I've liked it. Hell, the first Mac OS I tried, Mac OS 9, I hated!
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Post by carnageX on Jul 9, 2008 18:21:21 GMT -5
Thank you, Crazy. I've tried telling many people that, and they don't listen. All Apple does is mudsling bullshit. "Vista prompts me to cancel or allow! Oh no!" Turn UAC off then and quit bitching; although don't complain when you screw your system up b/c you changed something you weren't supposed to (heck, I even still have UAC enabled on my Vista laptop). I think it's both good and bad that M$ is countering Mac's adverts. Good that Mac may finally STFU (doubtful, but I can dream can't I?), and t hat they'll be able to promote their OS's (vista and upcoming Windows 7) more. People have grown too used to XP; they need to let go and move on. I heard enough people even just at work that come in, and ask if Vista is on a new computer. I'll tell them yes, and have to explain to them that it's not "garbage" or "crap" like they heard. Have the people that say Vista is crap really even used Vista for more than 5 minutes? Doubtful. It's bad though, that M$ may mudsling, and that's the primary reason I despise Apple. All they do is mudsling/bash M$ about trivial things (say goodbye to your Security ads, Apple, you're getting infected just as much as Windows). Most people will already know about Macs, from their idiotic commercials, so I don't think that's much of a threat. Edit: Most people attempt to use Mac OS X without anyway knowledge or idea how to use it. If you tried Windows without knowing how to use it, you'd fail. By assuming that if you know how to use windows, you know how to use Mac OS X, you are missing out on a much faster and more stable operating system. So use Linux. Linux is more stable/faster than either Windows or OSX. Oh wait, you're already using a watered down version of BSD (Unix based; similar to Linux). Too bad my Ubuntu partition is better. Who's fault is that? I never have any problems on either of my Windows machines. If I do, then it's beacuse of hardware. Guess how many times I've crashed in the last month? Maybe once or twice, and that's because something is wrong with my HDD, not Windows. Guess how many times either of my Vista partitions have had something wrong? Never. Desktop one runs fine, and my laptop runs perfect; everything runs fine on it that I've tried. OSX is simpler to use, while Windows has more functionality to it (and Linux has WAY more functionality than either of these).
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Post by Simie on Jul 9, 2008 18:39:19 GMT -5
Thank you, Crazy. I've tried telling many people that, and they don't listen. All Apple does is mudsling bullshit. "Vista prompts me to cancel or allow! Oh no!" Turn UAC off then and quit bitching; although don't complain when you screw your system up b/c you changed something you weren't supposed to (heck, I even still have UAC enabled on my Vista laptop). I think it's both good and bad that M$ is countering Mac's adverts. Good that Mac may finally STFU (doubtful, but I can dream can't I?), and t hat they'll be able to promote their OS's (vista and upcoming Windows 7) more. People have grown too used to XP; they need to let go and move on. I heard enough people even just at work that come in, and ask if Vista is on a new computer. I'll tell them yes, and have to explain to them that it's not "garbage" or "crap" like they heard. Have the people that say Vista is crap really even used Vista for more than 5 minutes? Doubtful. It's bad though, that M$ may mudsling, and that's the primary reason I despise Apple. All they do is mudsling/bash M$ about trivial things (say goodbye to your Security ads, Apple, you're getting infected just as much as Windows). Most people will already know about Macs, from their idiotic commercials, so I don't think that's much of a threat. Edit: Most people attempt to use Mac OS X without anyway knowledge or idea how to use it. If you tried Windows without knowing how to use it, you'd fail. By assuming that if you know how to use windows, you know how to use Mac OS X, you are missing out on a much faster and more stable operating system. So use Linux. Linux is more stable/faster than either Windows or OSX. Oh wait, you're already using a watered down version of BSD (Unix based; similar to Linux). Too bad my Ubuntu partition is better. Who's fault is that? I never have any problems on either of my Windows machines. If I do, then it's beacuse of hardware. Guess how many times I've crashed in the last month? Maybe once or twice, and that's because something is wrong with my HDD, not Windows. Guess how many times either of my Vista partitions have had something wrong? Never. Desktop one runs fine, and my laptop runs perfect; everything runs fine on it that I've tried. OSX is simpler to use, while Windows has more functionality to it (and Linux has WAY more functionality than either of these). You don't seem to understand, Mac OS X is a full unix OS, you can do anything that you could do in BSD in Mac OS X. Its called the Terminal. Maybe you've heard of it? Ok, so how many applications do you run at once? hm? I run nearly everything at once. iTunes, XAMPP, FF, Coda (Coding App), Newsfire (RSS feeds), Adium (MSN), Cyberduck (FTP), Dashboard, a ton of Deamons, etcetc. ... and it stays running for the whole day. And also, basicly anything you can do on Linux, you can probably do on OS X. Wine, for example. If not, apps can easily be ported over. Also, about the "simplicity". Yes, its easier and faster to do everyday tasks, something wrong with that? The Terminal gives huge access to nearly all underlying features and settings, more than in Windows. (Or more than I've ever found in Windows) The Windows "control panel" is a mess. I can hardly find anything. I dual boot Windows on my MacBook, first thing I find are my network settings are corrupted. All the "fixes" do not work. heh. The Mac control panel is more structured, easier to use, and easier for third parties to expand.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 9, 2008 19:16:46 GMT -5
I have had the same desktop running Windows XP for 4 years now. It has only frozen twice to my recollection, and both times it was my fault for running way to many processes at the same time, and that seems like it was more of a hardware problem (AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor and GeForce4 Graphics card) because it's an older computer.
It sounds like it's you more than it is the computer, since you crash more on a Mac in 3 months than I have in 4 years with XP... Plus, what Windows version was it and how old was the PC?
Oh, and Matt.. I do hope Microsoft doesn't do any mudslinging or naming as well... It makes company's look bad and they lose a lot of potential respect.
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 19:36:33 GMT -5
Can we try to keep this thread about Microsoft's upcoming advertisements rather than just Mac vs. PC bashing? We've had like thirty of those, and everyone just says the same things every time.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 9, 2008 21:57:45 GMT -5
Microsoft is likely to put out advertisements based on just their own product and it's features (funny how that isn't what Apple does..) However, that is a RESPONSE to the Mac vs PC bashing, so there is definitely a connection...
Also, quick question.. What does an iPod do? I'm assuming it's a dance machine of some sort?
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Post by carnageX on Jul 10, 2008 1:42:36 GMT -5
You don't seem to understand, Mac OS X is a full unix OS, you can do anything that you could do in BSD in Mac OS X. Its called the Terminal. Maybe you've heard of it? Too bad OSX is more locked down. In Linux, I can customize pretty much everything; and there's tons of different distros, all free. LOL, is that it? I, currently have 72 processes running. 70-80% CPU usage, and 1.6GB of RAM currently being used, out of 3.5GB. I'm running: 3 tabs of IE7, PhotoShop, AIM (couple convos), MSN (couple convols as well), WMP, Folding@Home (a CPU client, hence the high CPU usage; as well as a GPU client, which takes much of my GPU power). In my icon tray, I have 16 icons for programs down there. And yes, I run this system 24/7, unless there's a storm or I'm doing maintainence. I leave it running for weeks, and have to reboot seldom (for updates is about the only thing). Don't try to tout to me about how many apps you can run, buddy. I don't get bogged down. Hell, I can even run Crysis at 20-30fps (pretty damn good, mind you), while running WMP, and about 4 extra temperature monitoring programs (I like to keep my temps in check while gaming), all on TOP of those background processes. And those are on my 2nd monitor (a 3rd party app is used to manage my 2nd monitor settings). And yet Linux is free, and not proprietary, unlike OSX (illegal to install on a Windows box, but you can install Windows on a Macbox? Hypocrites...). Terminal can be nice, I won't disagree with that. Although, I find it easier to use a GUI rather than text interface. Takes less to type things out, as well . Control panel is easy for me to use... I want to uninstall a program. Ok, "Add/Remove Programs" sounds right. I wanna change my network settings, oh! Right there! Network Connections, or even Internet Options! Vista is laid out a bit different, but is still easy to use. Apparently something isn't configured right if your NIC settings are corrupt... I've never had that problem.... And I rarely see that just happening randomly (friend's laptop did that one time, and all I had to do was reinstall WiFI drivers...worked perfect).
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Post by RoGeR on Jul 10, 2008 2:22:31 GMT -5
I tried apple and it sucks badly!.... So I don't think Microsoft will be worrying about anything... You can't "Try Apple" Apple is a company. You don't "try microsoft", so why would you try apple? Most people attempt to use Mac OS X without anyway knowledge or idea how to use it. If you tried Windows without knowing how to use it, you'd fail. By assuming that if you know how to use windows, you know how to use Mac OS X, you are missing out on a much faster and more stable operating system. On my old windows PC, I would crash at LEAST once a day, and have to restart. On my Mac, I've only ever crashed three times in the last few months. And I'm running double the amount I ran on my windows pc. EDIT: For all you know, the OS could have changed dramatically since you tried it. Before I got my mac, the last Mac OS I tried was Panther. And I didn't like it. Since Tiger (last release) onwards, I've liked it. Hell, the first Mac OS I tried, Mac OS 9, I hated! Well I mean I tried the Mac and it sucks... xD
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 10, 2008 4:50:14 GMT -5
Well I mean I tried the Mac and it sucks... xD *High Fives* Rofl...
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Post by Simie on Jul 10, 2008 5:12:05 GMT -5
You can't "Try Apple" Apple is a company. You don't "try microsoft", so why would you try apple? Most people attempt to use Mac OS X without anyway knowledge or idea how to use it. If you tried Windows without knowing how to use it, you'd fail. By assuming that if you know how to use windows, you know how to use Mac OS X, you are missing out on a much faster and more stable operating system. On my old windows PC, I would crash at LEAST once a day, and have to restart. On my Mac, I've only ever crashed three times in the last few months. And I'm running double the amount I ran on my windows pc. EDIT: For all you know, the OS could have changed dramatically since you tried it. Before I got my mac, the last Mac OS I tried was Panther. And I didn't like it. Since Tiger (last release) onwards, I've liked it. Hell, the first Mac OS I tried, Mac OS 9, I hated! Well I mean I tried the Mac and it sucks... xD ... and yet you ignore the majority of my post? When did you last try it? How long for? How much did you know on how to use it?
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Post by Simie on Jul 10, 2008 5:30:35 GMT -5
You don't seem to understand, Mac OS X is a full unix OS, you can do anything that you could do in BSD in Mac OS X. Its called the Terminal. Maybe you've heard of it? Too bad OSX is more locked down. In Linux, I can customize pretty much everything; and there's tons of different distros, all free. Too bad it isn't. Find a unix command, very likely to run on Mac OS X. Oh, Windows: maybe $400 for the boxed version of the best version. Mac: $99 for Mac OS X, one package. And as far as I'm aware this was mac vs windows. Why are you bringing Linux into this? You still use Windows more than it. Just by saying that, you admit that you need a ton of third party applications to monitor and run your computer. Mac OS X manages temperatures, and fan speeds, by itself. And if you don't like that, there is a small free app that allows you to modify the temperatures fans come on at. I currently have running: 85 processes. Using 20% of my processing power. Again, where did Linux come into this? You cannot install Mac OS X on a Windows box, because to optimize the OS, and increase stability, they have to know exactly what is running on your box. This means they have to control the hardware. I don't mind that, since the tradeoff means I get a faster, more reliable system. We can install Windows on a Macbox because Windows doesn't care. They have a reputation for a unstable and bloated OS, because of all the hardware available to them. There is a GUI for the most common tasks. Network utility for example, allows you to do trace route, ping, etcetc, stuff you have to do in a command line on Windows. Last I looked in Add and Remove programs, it had almost every single update I'd installed via windows update in there. Why the hell would I want to uninstall them? It also had repeats of my programs, if I installed a mod etc. Both saying they took up 5GB, yet it only takes up 5.1 in reality? On Mac OS X, simply drag the application to the trash. If you want it to delete all settings, install AppTrap, which detects when an application is moved to the trash, and deletes all its config and cache files. And all apps are in self-contained bundles. No directories, simply one file. but, right click, click "Show package contents", and you have all the files you would want to modify. EDIT: I'll stop now, sorry Matt =P
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Post by it might be snores on Jul 10, 2008 9:03:32 GMT -5
Apple attacks the hell out of microsoft. I don't see why microsoft shouldn't fight back.
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Post by carnageX on Jul 10, 2008 12:05:46 GMT -5
Too bad it isn't. Find a unix command, very likely to run on Mac OS X. Oh, Windows: maybe $400 for the boxed version of the best version. Mac: $99 for Mac OS X, one package. $90 for OEM XP Home, $110 for Vista Home Premium OEM. As you said, OSX is based off of Unix, and Linux is based off of Linux as well. So why not? Linux/Unix are more comparable to OSX than Windows is. And? Your point? I get better functionality with the 3rd party apps. I'm not saying the Windows stock programs aren't crap (because most of them are). Thre's just a lot more 3rd party apps available for Windows, that are better. And most things I do, I need 3rd party apps. I can't OC my GPU with a stock Windows program. For that I use ATiTool and RivaTuner (I prefer ATiTool's interface, and Riva I use to control the fan speeds). LOL, that's a load of BS you know that? Macs use the exact same hardware as a PC since they started using intel CPU's. They just want to feed you that because they're overpriced, and what to try to justify the pricetag. Hell, there's even a 'kit' for an 8800GT, which is way overpriced. So if you need the exact same hardware in things to be optimized....why can Linux run so well when it's OPEN SOURCE, and runs on tons of different systems? Windows runs on tons of different systems as well. Mine is optimized, and I know tons of other people that have their system "optimized" to run Windows. Install the correct drivers for your component...there, it's optimized. Apparently you had the 'Show Updates' box checked then, if you were in XP.... Because I just have the programs I installed listed. And I've had to uninstall updates before, because it interfered with my bittorrent program (a TCIP patch). So I had to remove it so that it would work. I personally like directories. Makes more sense to me, but that's my opinion. And yet you started the argument by bringing how your PC "crashed so often" into the discussion....
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Post by Simie on Jul 10, 2008 17:23:16 GMT -5
And yet I stopped, and you continued, when he said stop....
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Post by carnageX on Jul 10, 2008 19:27:14 GMT -5
And yet I stopped, and you continued, when he said stop.... And yet I had to make my final argument on the subject.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 11, 2008 3:59:52 GMT -5
>.> Alright, let's discuss exactly WHAT Microsoft might put in their ads then, and what Apple might have as a response. They poked at Microsoft BEFORE tons of Vista ads were out, I wonder how far they'll go now..
"Microsoft Vista, revolutionizing personal computing technology with improved security, versatility, and functionality."
"OS X, it eats and recycles your old PC's and turns them into cans of Dr. Pepper... or as we now call it, iPepper!!"
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Post by DesertFlame on Jul 11, 2008 15:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Simie on Jul 11, 2008 17:15:47 GMT -5
? I can play games on my mac... any windows game runs on Windows, on a mac. And all blizzard games run on Mac OS X. (And Spore) ... and more. >_>
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Post by DesertFlame on Jul 11, 2008 17:19:49 GMT -5
well then u must have a magical mac o.o
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Post by carnageX on Jul 11, 2008 19:07:22 GMT -5
I can play games on my mac... any windows game runs on Windows, on a mac. And all blizzard games run on Mac OS X. (And Spore) ... and more. >_> And yet Mac users still have a need for Windows... I continue to lol at Mac users for that fact. "OSX is sooo much better!!!!! I'm gonna go play some games now!!!! *opens up Windows in bootcamp* Yeah... well then u must have a magical mac o.o No,its just b/c he's running bootcamp, which is a virtual machine emulator that you can install an OS on, and run it within your existing OS. I've done it with Vista while in XP with VMWare.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 12, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
I have an idea: How about they just merge companies and become one super-company that's powerful enough to control everything? Then they create competitions by pitting the mac teams against the pc teams to force them to be innovative, while making EVERYTHING compatible with everything else.
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Post by it might be snores on Jul 12, 2008 8:55:20 GMT -5
Wow crazy, thats actually a good idea. Although it could lead to one of those things like Shinra in Final Fantasy 7 where the company pretty much controls the world.
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Post by carnageX on Jul 12, 2008 12:14:10 GMT -5
Then they create competitions by pitting the mac teams against the pc teams to force them to be innovative, while making EVERYTHING compatible with everything else. Isn't it already like that now...? lol... That's how businesses are anyway buddy .
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Post by Simie on Jul 12, 2008 15:45:13 GMT -5
I can play games on my mac... any windows game runs on Windows, on a mac. And all blizzard games run on Mac OS X. (And Spore) ... and more. >_> And yet Mac users still have a need for Windows... I continue to lol at Mac users for that fact. "OSX is sooo much better!!!!! I'm gonna go play some games now!!!! *opens up Windows in bootcamp* Yeah... well then u must have a magical mac o.o No,its just b/c he's running bootcamp, which is a virtual machine emulator that you can install an OS on, and run it within your existing OS. I've done it with Vista while in XP with VMWare. ....lol. lol. .... lol. Bootcamp is software to partition the hard drive so you can install Windows on it. ... not virtualization. Thats VMWare, or Parallels.
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Post by ~CrAzY~™ on Jul 12, 2008 17:12:50 GMT -5
Then they create competitions by pitting the mac teams against the pc teams to force them to be innovative, while making EVERYTHING compatible with everything else. Isn't it already like that now...? lol... That's how businesses are anyway buddy . No, I'm referring to internal teams that are working for the same company. They compete for their ideas to be accepted and then the company decides which one to go with, and the winners team gets all sorts of incentives for it... And maybe the loser's team all become janitors for a week to a month. Also, if both teams went different directions, the ideas could be instead MERGED and create an amazing product with only the best features.
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